Coming Soon: Rise Player for Raspberry Pi

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    Nicholas Hudson-Ellis
    Exciting news, thanks for the update Alan!
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    Christophe De Pauw
    This is great news!!!
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    Raul
    Great news! These Pis do make a great lightweight solution for smaller organizations.
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    A.J. Minotti
    Fantastic! I just began hacking around with a Pi. It would significantly cut down our hardware costs. Glad to see an official solution is underway.
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    A.J. Minotti
    So here's some quick impressions / feedback of the alpha after playing around with it.

    Is there any plan to integrate a GPU accelerated video playback solution in the Pi build? Video playback still suffers, taxing the CPU and causing the Pi to really heat up.

    When I did a reboot, nothing launched automatically. The shortcuts to start, stop, and uninstall the player seem to be pointing to a folder that doesn't exist.

    Rebooting remotely from the RiseVision display browser page worked perfectly! Great to have that functionality that the Chromium app just couldn't provide.

    A great start. Excited to see where this goes!
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    Alan Clayton
    Thanks for the feedback A.J. 

    We'll need to spent more time reviewing video playback. As for the auto restart, that isn't working with the alpha version. It will be there with the beta release though. 
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    Carlos Ignacio Rios Guevara
    Dear AlanQuestion, if risevision works fine on Linux why not use Raspberry on the Pi3 operating system Mate Ubuntu?

    Https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
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    Alan Clayton
    Hi Carlos, in order for Rise Player to work on Raspberry PI we need to add the necessary ARM libraries. 

    Once that work is complete, Rise Player may work on Mate Ubuntu just fine, but our plans right now are to support Raspbian Jessie. 

    Thanks!
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    Amin
    This is great! hope you can include hdmi-cec support
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    Darius Aleksas
    I do not see how can Raspberry Pi cost can be a deal breaker when compared to other stick type players, for example Windows. You also get inferior device that I would not trust putting anything more demanding on it. In near future, after the official release, there will be tons complaints about videos not playing... I am pretty sure.

    But what really intrigues me is the possibility of connecting a tiny display to it. All in all you get a very compact signage system... this might come handy.
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    A.J. Minotti
    For our purposes, a Pi is less than half the cost of an Intel Compute Stick, which is what we currently use. The compute sticks also have a small host of issues, mostly rooted in Windows 10 (constantly wanting to install auto-updates at bad times, random popups from other background apps despite RV's attempt to hide them, lack of built in ethernet, etc.).

    Some of our boards are near food prep, so there's always a chance of failure just from flour or something getting into the computers (and this has happened a couple times over the past two years). $35 to replace the Pi board compared to a full stick replacement is nothing to sneeze at.

    I've run a week long stress test of a Pi running full screen video (using OMXplayer), and have not encountered a single issue. I plan on stressing it for a lest a month before we ever consider deploying anything, but early testing has been very positive. The final RV software would be the final piece of the puzzle.
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    Darius Aleksas
    A.J.
    Fact that you are getting annoying popups from Windows 10 and other apps means only that you have not configured it properly. It is very easy to turn off any messages in Windows 10, even security. This is something I am very confident about. I never get those. Update and restart time can be set in Windows 10 rather easily.

    I believe if you know what player you have and you are aware of it's capabilities, then you can make make those videos work. I think you know what you are doing, but very often RV users have no clue. They get the cheapest device they can find and throw whatever video they have (and sometimes even more).

    However, I am sure 'Raspberries' can be really great tiny form factor devices for basic (does not mean bad) content. I want to try it myself.
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    A.J. Minotti
    Yeah, the majority of our boards are just basic displays of menu items with prices and some images. One board loops a 1080p video.

    And the pop up in questions (which I didn't explain well) isn't like a notification toast. We use Team Viewer for remote access (which I realize isn't on Linux, but we can switch to VNC easily enough), and sometimes the Team Viewer app window appears over the menu content. Doesn't happen all the time, but enough that it's a pain.
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    Darius Aleksas
    A.J.

    I've had same issues with Team Viewer and then some. I found it rather unreliable. But what worked greatly for us is Google Remote Desktop. It is free and installs as Google Chrome App with your Google account. It works well in Windows and is useless on Chrome devices. It does not push any messages at all. The only downside is that it is gonna leave a mouse pointer. I am sure there are ways to turn in off on Windows level, but I simply drag it to the corner of a screen. I usually do it after hours, so it goes away after the scheduled nightly restart. Or you can simply reboot the machine after you done remoting in.
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    Anıl Ülgen
    Since i already experienced 28-30 FPS 1080p GoT video playback(over network) with omxplayer by using Raspberry Pi 1 Model B+ (512 MB Ram and 700 MHz CPU). I am sure Raspberry Pi 3 can handle the workload.

    As far as i know Eric Anholt from Raspberry Pi Foundation works on experimental GL drivers for hardware accelleration. With the effort of developers to support for hardware acceleration on most-used web browsers with this new GL driver, video playback should not be a problem anymore.

    I want to remind you that Chromium developers had abandon supporting hardware accelerations on ARM architecture long ago by stating that The effort done for supporting hardware accleration on ARM platform was waste of time.

    I have a RPi1 Model B+ board which use Chromium prior to v22 working with RV native-player to handle heavy-load of web content with no lagging. Today i cannot deploy the same web-content with same performance on RPi3, because Chromium doesn't support hardware acceleration at all. It is only software accelerated on ARM platforms. That is why i plan to use Firefox while replacing new boards.

    Also, the cost-performance efficiency and customisability for needs cannot be argued at all. Linux platform offers many oppurtinites to customize. Any unwanted features can be discarded and new features could be added (software or hardware). There is no limitation as Windows platforms apply.

    In conclusion, RV developers should have been working on RPi platforms and ARM based distros long ago for better digital signage solutions. I believe RPi will be the future of cheap and effecive digital signage solutions, with your efforts.
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    Darius Aleksas
    Hopefully they stick to it.

    I am getting one of those; curious to see how far they can be pushed and where they stand compared to other devices.
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    Risevisionams Orange
    Nice!

    I immediately bought a Pi3 and followed the install procedure. However, at the last command I got the error message:
    bash: /home/pi/electron/electron: Permission denied

    Any suggestion?
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    Matthew Trigg
    http://dwservice.net ---- good team viewer alternative for raspberry pi... very low resource requirements and a lot of features that TeamViewer charges for... For free... No popups... Open-source...
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    Darius Aleksas
    Alan, which OS is RV app is designed for? https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
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    A.J. Minotti
    https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/

    You'll want to use Raspbian Jessie with Pixel. That's the latest version. If you buy a kit that says NOOBS is preinstalled on the SD card, you'll be able to install it from there.
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    Darius Aleksas
    Do you know if Raspbian can be installed on Asus TinkerBox? Or would RV App work on Debian?
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    A.J. Minotti
    I'm not familiar with the TinkerBox. The PI uses a customized version of Ubuntu.
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    Darius Aleksas
    Sorry, it is Tinker Board https://www.asus.com/uk/Single-board-Computer/TINKER-BOARD/ I have this Windows IOT bugging me now...
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    Alan Clayton
    A.J. is correct on the OS - Raspbian Jessie with Pixel. 
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    George F. Greene
    Not to be too crabby about it, but after Chromebox development and support dried up, what kind of long term commitment do you have to Pi?
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    Darius Aleksas
    I believe it is a bit different story because RPi developers do not force updates on you every two weeks or so that can take you down.
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    George F. Greene
    That makes sense.
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    mikedumka
    Yeah, but for people who are not as techie what does that really mean?

    Perhaps we could get one of our champions explain? As someone who invested heavily with Chromeboxes, this threw us for quite a loop. 

    What does a Pi mean to future stability?

    PS - I know what it means, but I know there are many people who do not understand the requirements to stay current with Chrome Apps and I would like to hear from someone in RV. Thanks!
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    Carson Tilton
    I compiled a version  to work a couple of years ago and it has been working very well. As compared to the sticks, the Pi does not overheat or have any update issues if configured correctly. As for video I have had no issues when I drop a youtube link in to Rise. I am excited that Rise Vision has accepted this challenge. For small networks its just the way to go. For bigger networks maybe not. The  example would be the way that Mcdonalds does their menus now. On windows based systems, which is contracted out for content and maintenance. We like the affordability of the Pi for the less than 20 displays we have. And quite frankly the Riseberry Install from last year has had no hiccups as compared to our windows based systems. My only complaint with the recent riseberry on NOOBS is no wireless pre-configured. We have one location that is difficult to run a wire to cosmetically and need the wireless functioning. The actual wireless router is in the same room so we are not worried about range. All in all we could not be happier with the PI at the moment. The constant visiting locations due to windows issues and connection errors was overwhelming. As for the future of this configuration, I see Raspberry PI increasing memory and processing speed. So that could solve some of the video issues some may have had. I remain optimistic on the fact of my own experience with this configuration. Cheap, reliable, and relatively easy.

    Cheers,
    Carson
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    Yannick MARTY
    Very good news !!!! Thank you
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