Windows 10 touch keyboard and RV presentations

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    Darius Aleksas

    I was gonna express the same concern. I am in the finishing stage of a website to be used in a presentation (touchscreen display), and it requires an onscreen keyboard (win 10) for data entering.

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    Tyler Wight

    Hi Jeff and Darius!

     

    Unfortunately there isn't a way to get a keyboard to show up ontop of our presentations, this is because of the way we take control of the screen. We want the presentations to be online and showing as much as possible, so we try to hide everything possible. The only pop ups that can seem to get through are those pesky Window Update pop ups.


    With that said we do provide a jquery keyboard source code that you can add to interactive presentations. It's free of charge but unfortunately support won't be able to help support this all that much. But if you have some programming experience this keyboard would work perfect!

     

    https://github.com/Rise-Vision/client-content-keyboard

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    Jeff Siler

    Thx Tyler.

    This kind of programming is above my paygrade. I looked at the directions; do you add these pieces to each presentation that will need a keyboard?

    Do you or one of the other RV folk have a sample presentation that uses this keyboard that you can share?

     

     

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    Jeff Siler

    Also, is this keyboard one that floats over the presentation when running, so it can be moved around?

    Can this keyboard be hidden when not needed and activated by a user clicking in a text space of a contact form, etc.?

    I need one that works like the Windows 10 keyboard does.

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    Darius Aleksas

    Yes, all of that can be done, but keep in mind that only works in your custom built content. There is no way for me to use it with CMS built websites. The only thing that worked for me was Android tablet with 3rd party player (I did not try with Windows tablet yet). This is actually a very serious limitation on RV side.

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    Robb Price

    Darius,

    Are you saying that that the client keyboard at GitHub that Tyler referred to above doesn't' work for you? Or you can't implement it?

    I'm just trying to determine if there are any issues with that keyboard that we can notify our creative team about.

    Thanks!

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    Darius Aleksas

    Robb, I cannot use that keyboard with CMS websites created using Joomla or Wordpress.

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    Robb Price

    Darius,

    Ah, thanks for that clarification.

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    Jeff Siler

    I understand that y'all are locking down everything on Windows that you can to keep it from popping up, but it seems like the touch keyboard in Win 10 should get a hall  pass to pop up.  Can't the RV creative team change the code to allow the keyboard to pop up when needed?  This would save a ton of work for everyone in the field, because touch screens ned the ability for data input for placing orders, entering emails, etc.

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    Darius Aleksas

    Jeff, I believe this entire keyboard disabling thing started because of that stupid Intel Remote keyboard app on stupid Intel Sticks that just kept popping up on top of everything. I might be wrong, but if that is true, then it is even bigger nonsense.

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    Robb Price

    Hi everyone,

    Unfortunately it's not that simple. If we surfaced the keyboard, it would allow the user to kill the Rise Vision Player right from that keyboard, and therefore nullifying the whole reason to hide it in the first place.

    However, your idea is an interesting one. The problem here as Jeff says is you need an onscreen keyboard WHILE the Presentation is running, right? 

    So if we could have an option or setting or something that allowed for the keyboard to be available while the Player was running, that would solve this issue, is that correct? Bear in mind that with the keyboard displayed, the user would be able to kill the player via that keyboard, but still, that would accomplish what you need, right?

    Let me know if I am understanding right, and I can bring this up to our Development team. Thanks!

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    Darius Aleksas

    Robb, I was thinking maybe a keyboard within RV (not device keyboard) that would react to input fields and pop-up, much like keyboards on tablets. You could then disable CTRL+SHIFT+Q, CTRL+ALT+DEL, minimizing app window and other commands.

    I bet it is not easy to accomplish.

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    Robb Price

    Darius,

    I have a sneaking suspicion that would be tough to accomplish as well, I will mention this to the appropriate personnel, and I encourage anyone who wants to see the same feature added to the Rise Vision Player to weigh in on this discussion.

    Thanks!

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    Jeff Siler

    I don't think the ability to kill the RV pres with CTRL+Shift+Q would be a show stopper.  Users aren't going to know about that as an option, and I would think most of them would simply want ability to input info to book appts, buy something, etc.

    You are correct Robb, I want a keyboard to show up when users need a keyboard - the way a cell phone or tablet works. Keyboard would be int he way the rest of the time.

     

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    Darius Aleksas

    I do know... I always try to break  interactive kiosks when I see them... not physically like with a rock )))

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    Jeff Siler

    If we have to factor human nature in, then no keyboard would be best.  However, if we want interested parties to be able to order stuff, book an appt., etc., then we need a keyboard.  We could set a scheduled restart for OS a couple of times a day to ensure correct layout on screen.

    So, Robb & co. can we have a keyboard option? Sounds like a button to click on the placeholder properties would do the trick....

     

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    Robb Price

    Hi guys,

    This is on the "To Discuss" list, but unfortunately it isn't something that we are actively investigating at this time. We will be sure to notify everyone if this changes.

    Thanks!

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    Darius Aleksas

    Wait a minute! I know there are many different touch displays and I have not tried all of them, but ELO display settings have an option to disable multi-touch (pretty much a must setting for public touch displays anyway). There would be no way to close RV or shut the PC down using the on-screen keyboard. This should be an option when installing the player.

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    Robb Price

    Thanks for that additional info Darius!

    Don't worry, it's not off the table, just not on the table currently :)

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    Darius Aleksas

    I just wanted to let you know that Windows 10 tablet's keyboard worked like a charm with Rise Vision and my presentation where the use of a keyboard is necessary. Good day gentleman!

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    Brian Dolge

    Darius,

    How did that work? I have tried win 10 in tablet mode but cannot get the keyboard to pop up when the cursor is placed in a text field. This worked under older RV versions but has stopped and my patrons who used that feature are pis**d. What versions are you running?

    Also, in terms of the security problems caused by the keyboard, has anyone considered just creating a virtual keyboard without the CTRL and ALT keys? just don't draw them in. Or as someone else pointed out turn off multitouch and let people use capslock instead of shift.

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    Darius Aleksas

    Brian, it is not gonna work in Win10 Tablet mode on a regular PC. It only worked on an actual Win10 Tablet. It worked with the latest (at that time, 2 weeks ago) RV app. I was using Web Page Widget to push to pull to the players a Joomla website that requires authentication input and leaving comments. All worked as expected.

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    Brian Dolge

    Thanks, I guess my only option is to find a JS guru to implement the script.

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    Jeff Siler

    Is a Windows tablet the same as a Microsoft Surface Pro unit?

    If so, what are the minimum reqs for the Surface unit?  This sounds like the simplest way to solve the keyboard dilemma.  I'm trying to see how much more the hardware would be than buying an Intel Nuc and adding RAM/HD/OS.  It'd sure be easier to velcro a surface unit behind TV than  diddling with the Nuc setup.

    My fix for the time being is to embed a presentation layout in an Iframe and cover up the top of the page with a banner.  Hides that pesky RV banner that has the sign up for free stuff in it. Pros of this method are that the RV platform runs from browsers on everything. Cons is that you can't change the screen layout remotely by simply changing the schedule. Different presentations can be run as bookmarks to different iframe pages.

    Anyway, the Surface Pro idea sounds appealing, just lemme know how robust the specs need to be.

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    Darius Aleksas

    Jeff, you can get rid of that 'pesky' RV banner by adding to the address line ...&showui=false. So there is this.

    Using the tablet as a player for another touchscreen display... well that just blew my mind LOL. Interesting idea! I am not sure if that is going to work, though... but it just might. The only problem is the video output from a tablet. Mine does not have it, but the docking station has, so you might need that too.

    About tablet's specs... you should match those with the presentation. A basic website is not very demanding. Videos, animated GIFs, constant HTML animations, those require more CPU power.

    This Surface from MS looks fine: https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Surface-SU3-00001-12-3-Inch-flash_memory_solid_state/dp/B01606M7VM/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1529958147&sr=1-3&keywords=surface+pro

    And then there is this https://www.amazon.com/Windows-CHUWI-Hi10-Plus-featuring/dp/B01NCO6P93/ref=sr_1_7?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1529958275&sr=1-7&keywords=windows+10+tablet but can you trust it?

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    Jeff Siler

    Darius, you rock - thanks!!!! Thanks for allowing me to lose the banner!

     

    The CHUWI tablet looks pretty good.  I watched somebody's youtube review, and it looks pretty solid.

     

    Would be a cheaper way to put RV power behind a TV.  Me like!

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    Rudi Bravo

    Hi Jeff,

    It looks like you are trying to embed the Preview URL directly into a HTML Page. We have recently made an announcement about this and unfortunately this solution is not supported. That means some features of your presentation will not work correctly, like the schedule you mentioned yourself, and it's not going to be stable, since this is not something we test when releasing changes to Rise Vision Player.

    At the moment the only solution I can point you is the jquery keyboard Tyler linked on the top. We don't have any updates for further solutions, but we will sure keep everyone in the loop if we do.

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    Jeff Siler

    so far so good with everything I've been putting in presentations.  I'm going to stick with my method for now.  It allows me to run on anything with a browser, and I'm able to run web widgets and scrolling text.  I'm able to use those for most everything I'm doing.

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    Jeff Siler

    unsupported shouldn't mean it is to be banished.  I'm able to get my presentations to play on anything running a browser; I'm not limited by hardware this way.

    My business model relies on being able to market subscriptions to the software that will run on any hardware.

    Stability hasn't been an issue for me. And, I'm not worried about seeking support for doing this.

    Please leave the ability to run the preview as an embed in an iframe.

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    Jeff Siler

    Has anyone tried the CHUWI windows tablet? If these things lasted a year they'd be a pretty good way to go.

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